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		<title>By: Ant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, young vs. old generations. Get off my lawn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, young vs. old generations. Get off my lawn!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc "Teleutotje" Van der Stappen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc "Teleutotje" Van der Stappen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is not the end result but the way you get there that can be the problem.

I still didn&#039;t have the chance to read &quot;The Superorganism&quot; but if genetical research appears in articles and books I think I also belong in Wilsons corner of science.

I know a very big lot about ants and how they are supposed to have evolved by a few different people but the research in itself gets to high for me. Yes, I&#039;m a biologist and no, I&#039;m not to old I believe (only 45 now) and yes, I get most of the basics of genetics and molecular biology, but..... When reading genetical evolutionary articles I get a nervous breakdown (maybe because I don&#039;t work in a genetic lab?) by the sections about the methods and the results. Some of those parts can, for me, be written in Sanscrit or Hebrew or Arabic because they all are the same for ME, I don&#039;t understand it. For the discussions, they are partly the same but, with a good summary and a good general consensus-tree, I get the most of it (although I sometimes redraw those trees to get them more simple and better understandible, there is a big difference between, say, 185 species, 63 genera or 22 subfamilies!). For me, the biggest problem lies there, techniques that outside the specialised field aren&#039;t understandible and to much information in the trees. One example, the supplementary material by the Martialis article. I&#039;ve redrawn them on a subfamily level to make it more clearer to me, I could better see the evolution by subfamily (and the problems therein.) than was the case by a multitude of species.

I think, with a better explanation (for someone like me not familiar with the techniques and methods), simpler end diagrams and a good discussion it would be better for me to understand it all.

Like I hear from Wilson, I think maybe he has the same problem like me.....

Yes, I&#039;m a &quot;Wilsonist&quot; (if I may invent a word on the spot!) and think he has done much for myrmecology in general and for the description of species and their behavior. Maybe someone should help us with the molecular biology side of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is not the end result but the way you get there that can be the problem.</p>
<p>I still didn&#8217;t have the chance to read &#8220;The Superorganism&#8221; but if genetical research appears in articles and books I think I also belong in Wilsons corner of science.</p>
<p>I know a very big lot about ants and how they are supposed to have evolved by a few different people but the research in itself gets to high for me. Yes, I&#8217;m a biologist and no, I&#8217;m not to old I believe (only 45 now) and yes, I get most of the basics of genetics and molecular biology, but&#8230;.. When reading genetical evolutionary articles I get a nervous breakdown (maybe because I don&#8217;t work in a genetic lab?) by the sections about the methods and the results. Some of those parts can, for me, be written in Sanscrit or Hebrew or Arabic because they all are the same for ME, I don&#8217;t understand it. For the discussions, they are partly the same but, with a good summary and a good general consensus-tree, I get the most of it (although I sometimes redraw those trees to get them more simple and better understandible, there is a big difference between, say, 185 species, 63 genera or 22 subfamilies!). For me, the biggest problem lies there, techniques that outside the specialised field aren&#8217;t understandible and to much information in the trees. One example, the supplementary material by the Martialis article. I&#8217;ve redrawn them on a subfamily level to make it more clearer to me, I could better see the evolution by subfamily (and the problems therein.) than was the case by a multitude of species.</p>
<p>I think, with a better explanation (for someone like me not familiar with the techniques and methods), simpler end diagrams and a good discussion it would be better for me to understand it all.</p>
<p>Like I hear from Wilson, I think maybe he has the same problem like me&#8230;..</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a &#8220;Wilsonist&#8221; (if I may invent a word on the spot!) and think he has done much for myrmecology in general and for the description of species and their behavior. Maybe someone should help us with the molecular biology side of it!</p>
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		<title>By: myrmecos</title>
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		<dc:creator>myrmecos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, all.

James K. -  I don&#039;t begrudge Wilson his taxonomic focus.  After all, much of my own research is morphology-based taxonomy, and I&#039;m well in agreement that we need more of it.  Rather, it&#039;s the specific matter of &quot;The Superorganism&quot;.  The book jacket advertises &quot;the remarkable growth of knowledge... during the past two decades.&quot;  Wilson is thus tasked with writing a synthesis of the recent research, and I think he&#039;s done a poor job of it.

Josh-  I think Wilson&#039;s chapters do a disservice to folks like Ward, Brady, Schultz, Moreau, Kronauer etc. who have been producing some excellent research on ant evolution, yet whose work goes essentially unacknowledged in what will be the only ant book that most non-specialists will pick up.  Yes, Moreau&#039;s 2006 phylogeny is reproduced, but it sits amid text that shows Wilson clearly doesn&#039;t understand what it means.  

Mike- I remember that!  The ant lab took him out to dinner afterward and he essentially reiterated the same point.  While sitting across the table from Brian O., of all people.

José María- Thank you for your kind words.  Yes, you are absolutely right.  My criticism here is specific, and not meant to belittle the enormous contributions Wilson has made to biology throughout his career.  By the way, I stop by the lamarabunta forum about once a week to read, it seems like a fine group of myrmecologists you&#039;ve assembled over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, all.</p>
<p>James K. &#8211;  I don&#8217;t begrudge Wilson his taxonomic focus.  After all, much of my own research is morphology-based taxonomy, and I&#8217;m well in agreement that we need more of it.  Rather, it&#8217;s the specific matter of &#8220;The Superorganism&#8221;.  The book jacket advertises &#8220;the remarkable growth of knowledge&#8230; during the past two decades.&#8221;  Wilson is thus tasked with writing a synthesis of the recent research, and I think he&#8217;s done a poor job of it.</p>
<p>Josh-  I think Wilson&#8217;s chapters do a disservice to folks like Ward, Brady, Schultz, Moreau, Kronauer etc. who have been producing some excellent research on ant evolution, yet whose work goes essentially unacknowledged in what will be the only ant book that most non-specialists will pick up.  Yes, Moreau&#8217;s 2006 phylogeny is reproduced, but it sits amid text that shows Wilson clearly doesn&#8217;t understand what it means.  </p>
<p>Mike- I remember that!  The ant lab took him out to dinner afterward and he essentially reiterated the same point.  While sitting across the table from Brian O., of all people.</p>
<p>José María- Thank you for your kind words.  Yes, you are absolutely right.  My criticism here is specific, and not meant to belittle the enormous contributions Wilson has made to biology throughout his career.  By the way, I stop by the lamarabunta forum about once a week to read, it seems like a fine group of myrmecologists you&#8217;ve assembled over there.</p>
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		<title>By: Bug Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bug Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really glad to hear you say this, because I&#039;ve been very troubled by EO&#039;s latest book. It seemed...out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad to hear you say this, because I&#8217;ve been very troubled by EO&#8217;s latest book. It seemed&#8230;out there.</p>
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		<title>By: José María Gómez Durán</title>
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		<dc:creator>José María Gómez Durán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a problem with the way words are used. I know Alex Wild some weeks ago from his marvellous blog, and I know James Tragger from his excellent participation in the Spanish Forum Lamarabunta. I am sure they have good reasons in their review of the last work of E. O. Wilson.
The problem with some critic words, I think, is the general impression they can throw over a whole life. From an historical point of view, Wilson is one of the greatest biologists of XX century, with innumerable contributions to field studies, and author of extraordinaries synthesis. And I am also sure that Alex Wild fully recognize the importance of this scientist for the advance of myrmecology and biology.

Let me tell my recent experience with Edward Wilson. 2 or 3 years ago I sent him 3 selected pages with ants’ observations of a Spanish naturalist (José Celestino Mutis, 1732-1808). He liked them and proposed me to work together with Mutis’ material.  He was specially kind and generous with a person with no degrees (I am just  a modest amateur fond of ants). Finally, he sent me an email proposing a future book. Then,  Wilson worked and wrote what I think is a nice book bringging out the figure of Mutis. Perhaps this book will appear during 2009.

Returning to Alex Wild, I must say how much I appreciate the way he make me enjoy and learn with his blog and galleries. Some days ago I couldn’t avoid to make an Spanish summary, in Lamarabunta Forum, of his 11 myrmecological milestones of 2008 (http://www.lamarabunta.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;p=97149#p97149).

Warm regards,

José María</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a problem with the way words are used. I know Alex Wild some weeks ago from his marvellous blog, and I know James Tragger from his excellent participation in the Spanish Forum Lamarabunta. I am sure they have good reasons in their review of the last work of E. O. Wilson.<br />
The problem with some critic words, I think, is the general impression they can throw over a whole life. From an historical point of view, Wilson is one of the greatest biologists of XX century, with innumerable contributions to field studies, and author of extraordinaries synthesis. And I am also sure that Alex Wild fully recognize the importance of this scientist for the advance of myrmecology and biology.</p>
<p>Let me tell my recent experience with Edward Wilson. 2 or 3 years ago I sent him 3 selected pages with ants’ observations of a Spanish naturalist (José Celestino Mutis, 1732-1808). He liked them and proposed me to work together with Mutis’ material.  He was specially kind and generous with a person with no degrees (I am just  a modest amateur fond of ants). Finally, he sent me an email proposing a future book. Then,  Wilson worked and wrote what I think is a nice book bringging out the figure of Mutis. Perhaps this book will appear during 2009.</p>
<p>Returning to Alex Wild, I must say how much I appreciate the way he make me enjoy and learn with his blog and galleries. Some days ago I couldn’t avoid to make an Spanish summary, in Lamarabunta Forum, of his 11 myrmecological milestones of 2008 (<a href="http://www.lamarabunta.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;p=97149#p97149" rel="nofollow">http://www.lamarabunta.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;p=97149#p97149</a>).</p>
<p>Warm regards,</p>
<p>José María</p>
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		<title>By: MFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex,

Your comments on the effort Wilson puts into his conservation work reminded me of a comment he made during a visit to ucd - you were probably there.  It was at a meeting he had with a group of grad students.  One student asked Wilson for his opinion on rank-free classification.  The gist of Wilson&#039;s reply was that we shouldn&#039;t worry about such esoteric issues when species are going extinct at such a high rate.  Instead, Wilson suggested that we should be focusing on describing and protecting species before they go extinct.  

It was a very different response than what I expected, and although I don&#039;t agree with it, his answer often pops into my head when I am thinking of new research projects.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>Your comments on the effort Wilson puts into his conservation work reminded me of a comment he made during a visit to ucd &#8211; you were probably there.  It was at a meeting he had with a group of grad students.  One student asked Wilson for his opinion on rank-free classification.  The gist of Wilson&#8217;s reply was that we shouldn&#8217;t worry about such esoteric issues when species are going extinct at such a high rate.  Instead, Wilson suggested that we should be focusing on describing and protecting species before they go extinct.  </p>
<p>It was a very different response than what I expected, and although I don&#8217;t agree with it, his answer often pops into my head when I am thinking of new research projects.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silence serf!  How dare a post-doc have critical thoughts about one of the luminaries!  Get back to work quietly answering important evolutionary questions, writing valuable keys, and by all means keep taking those great pictures we all use on our websites and in our presentations.  

Seriously though...  Wilson&#039;s previous theoretical contributions and advocacy and activism are priceless.  Others now drive the evolutionary thinking and research - so why worry?  But that&#039;s not to say I don&#039;t appreciate your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silence serf!  How dare a post-doc have critical thoughts about one of the luminaries!  Get back to work quietly answering important evolutionary questions, writing valuable keys, and by all means keep taking those great pictures we all use on our websites and in our presentations.  </p>
<p>Seriously though&#8230;  Wilson&#8217;s previous theoretical contributions and advocacy and activism are priceless.  Others now drive the evolutionary thinking and research &#8211; so why worry?  But that&#8217;s not to say I don&#8217;t appreciate your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: James F. Kamola</title>
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		<dc:creator>James F. Kamola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments sound like the sour opinions of James Watson about Ed&#039;s work. Ed is an old man and it is normal for an old man not to be &quot;a la page&quot;, but, according to Watson, his job was out of date even many years ago. I find always dangerous when  people, like Watson and you,  believing to be the depository of truth, blame other people because they do not follow that &quot;truth&quot;.
Taxonomy cannot be reduced to mathematics, there is still room for sound contributions like the ones Ed provided. Ed is still the flagship of ant taxonomists, if he does not represent you, you cannot blame him for that...
May be you could simply try to become the Ed Wilson of 21th century, then you will be for sure representative of you... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments sound like the sour opinions of James Watson about Ed&#8217;s work. Ed is an old man and it is normal for an old man not to be &#8220;a la page&#8221;, but, according to Watson, his job was out of date even many years ago. I find always dangerous when  people, like Watson and you,  believing to be the depository of truth, blame other people because they do not follow that &#8220;truth&#8221;.<br />
Taxonomy cannot be reduced to mathematics, there is still room for sound contributions like the ones Ed provided. Ed is still the flagship of ant taxonomists, if he does not represent you, you cannot blame him for that&#8230;<br />
May be you could simply try to become the Ed Wilson of 21th century, then you will be for sure representative of you&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ihateaphids</title>
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		<dc:creator>ihateaphids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say this is the exact picture of E.O. that I have...one of a old man who does not recognize advancement. I have been disappointed in him since &quot;The Creation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say this is the exact picture of E.O. that I have&#8230;one of a old man who does not recognize advancement. I have been disappointed in him since &#8220;The Creation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James C. Trager</title>
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		<dc:creator>James C. Trager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Alex. Your comments express quite percisely the tremendous respect and admiration we younger myrmecologists have for Wilson. They also corroborate perfectly my own personal interactions with him, while honestly laying out the discomfort systematists feel with his dated views on ant systematics and evolutionary history. 

Long may he wave and continue his advocacy for the integrity of the world&#039;s biological/ecological diversity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Alex. Your comments express quite percisely the tremendous respect and admiration we younger myrmecologists have for Wilson. They also corroborate perfectly my own personal interactions with him, while honestly laying out the discomfort systematists feel with his dated views on ant systematics and evolutionary history. </p>
<p>Long may he wave and continue his advocacy for the integrity of the world&#8217;s biological/ecological diversity!</p>
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